[Icekid84]

DR : what the hell are you on? lol

Flash : thanks, well I was looking for a feel and wasnt getting it. To go further. I'm usually a door man and start with a door but the 3 attempts that way with different modeling methods ( turbo,regular,then another wierd one I was just desperate then) but in the end I went back to turbo and it worked on a square car too. I however this time started with the front . I was quite pleased with myself too the side and front you see is all I used and the front was just confusing me so I just hid it and just left a front image open in photoshop to glimpse back at everyonce in a while.