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Thanks again redstar for the advice. I have the front done around back to a small portion of the front fender. Ok, if you could describe the best way to do the headlight and lens, I am deeply appreciate it. Last time I believe I just created a polygon using all the vertices around the headlight but once I used 2 iterations of subdivision I had to do alot of realigning everywhere. Here are some screenshots of my progress so far so please tell me anything I need to work on as I would like to get this car half way right this 4th time around. Thanks again.