Can you help me with renders?

[am3r1ca]

Hi guys, I would like to ask you for help. At first I'm sorry for my bad english, but I'm not from english speaking country. But let's get to my problem. I would like to make render of my DeTomaso Mangusta that would look like this :. I don't know where even start. I made couple of renders of my Mangusta, but none of them is with some background or environment, so I dunno how to do that. Can you help me, please? By the way, I attached some renders of my Mangusta, can you rate it? How lame/good is it? Thank you guys. I hope I am going to learn something new.

[am3r1ca]

Ok so I followed one tutorial I found here (Create a Photorealistic Car Render using 3DS Max and Vray) but the result is looking like a bad joke...at least for me..what do you think? I don't like it..

[helicase]

unless you are ORB, most people like me it takes a LONG time and a lot of practice to make it look good. Just keep at it!!! Mess around. The best things you learn don't come from tutorials in my opinion.

[dave_3d]

What renderer are you using ?

[Falango]

Your HDRI is 'working', but your shaders need some tweaking to make the paint look like paint, and the glass reflect and refract properly. HDRI backplates take a bit of time to get used to working with, but once you understand them, you can get some brilliant results with minimal effort. I'd start by looking for some tutorials that explain what HDRI backplates do. Digital Tutors has some great tutorials for this kind of stuff.

[dave_3d]

If you want an explanation about HDRIs I wrote a tutorial here :

DM Multimedia - Studio 3DS Max Tips and Tutorials - Full Tutorial - Schnorbill Scene Setup

There is also a tutorial I wrote which shows how to use a spherical HDRI. Same basic principle for a cylindrical HDRI :

DM Multimedia - Studio 3DS Max Tips and Tutorials - Full Tutorial - Production Shaders in Mental Ray

I am 80% finished my website update (offline), and will probably include a new tutorial on how to use HDRI backplates and the Mental Ray production shaders (and possibly iRay).

Dave

[am3r1ca]

I used Vray for these renders, but if you can help me with mr, I will use mr. I'm new to 3D modeling and this is my first car, so I would like to make some nice renders with it. I don't really care about renderer, I will try anything.

[am3r1ca]

If you want an explanation about HDRIs I wrote a tutorial here :

DM Multimedia - Studio 3DS Max Tips and Tutorials - Full Tutorial - Schnorbill Scene Setup

There is also a tutorial I wrote which shows how to use a spherical HDRI. Same basic principle for a cylindrical HDRI :

DM Multimedia - Studio 3DS Max Tips and Tutorials - Full Tutorial - Production Shaders in Mental Ray

I am 80% finished my website update (offline), and will probably include a new tutorial on how to use HDRI backplates and the Mental Ray production shaders (and possibly iRay).

Dave

Thank you, I will definitely try it.

[exidge]

It actually doesn't matter which renderer u'll use. Your car has not enough details, and you are comparing to a finished model and you want the same result. Rendering is process like a WIP when you model a car. You can't just press two buttons and have the car fully done right? Same goes with rendering
Try to work out materials as suggested above and also finish your car, that will fill the gap because the render in Vray above is pointing into the right direction

Cheers,
exidge

[am3r1ca]

It actually doesn't matter which renderer u'll use. Your car has not enough details, and you are comparing to a finished model and you want the same result. Rendering is process like a WIP when you model a car. You can't just press two buttons and have the car fully done right? Same goes with rendering
Try to work out materials as suggested above and also finish your car, that will fill the gap because the render in Vray above is pointing into the right direction

Cheers,
exidge

Ok, thank you.

[nosalis]

it's exactly like exidge says .. it will be hard to make it look great, when the model is simple.
to make it look better you have 3 options

option1
add more details to the car, the more details you add the easier it will be to make it look good, try to separate objects based on the material they are from (rubber, glass,chrome, car-paint, black plastic ..etc)

option2
create detailed textures for the car, if you don't model details, you can get away with a lot if you add good details into the textures.

option3
improve shaders .. though it's hard to work on shaders when you don't have things to work with (details on models, mesh parts split to different materials, textures, specular maps ... etc)

so to make it great .. do all 3

as to your previous question .. for the black&white render it will be quite difficult to make it using the usual approaches. For that kind of effect it will be all about shaders .. trying to find some cartoonish looking shader and rendering up the scene with probably just 1 light (normal spotlight ) .. probably just scanline render .. no fancy MR or Vray stuff

keep it up

[am3r1ca]

it's exactly like exidge says .. it will be hard to make it look great, when the model is simple.
to make it look better you have 3 options

option1
add more details to the car, the more details you add the easier it will be to make it look good, try to separate objects based on the material they are from (rubber, glass,chrome, car-paint, black plastic ..etc)

option2
create detailed textures for the car, if you don't model details, you can get away with a lot if you add good details into the textures.

option3
improve shaders .. though it's hard to work on shaders when you don't have things to work with (details on models, mesh parts split to different materials, textures, specular maps ... etc)

so to make it great .. do all 3

as to your previous question .. for the black&white render it will be quite difficult to make it using the usual approaches. For that kind of effect it will be all about shaders .. trying to find some cartoonish looking shader and rendering up the scene with probably just 1 light (normal spotlight ) .. probably just scanline render .. no fancy MR or Vray stuff

keep it up

Thanks, it seems that I've got a lot of work that needs to be done Ďakujem za pomoc

[am3r1ca]

I would like to thank you for your help, but as I can see, I'm just too big NOOB to make nice render...anyway thank you .

[dave_3d]

I would like to thank you for your help, but as I can see, I'm just too big NOOB to make nice render...anyway thank you .

We all start as Noobs. All of us. So keep trying. It is how we all started.

Dave

[am3r1ca]

We all start as Noobs. All of us. So keep trying. It is how we all started.

Dave

Thank you for your nice words, but I guess your first 3D car is looking beter than my real car

[dave_3d]

Thank you for your nice words, but I guess your first 3D car is looking beter than my real car

No. I can't remember my very first car, but it was very simple. Think I posted some in the "post your first car" thread. Have a look there. And remember many people won't show their first car.

Dave

[Falango]

I would like to thank you for your help, but as I can see, I'm just too big NOOB to make nice render...anyway thank you .

You have to start somewhere. No matter what profession/hobby/activity you do, you can't be an expert overnight. Read tutorials, follow videos, and practice, even just play with settings and tools to see what they do.

The 3 options above are good to keep in mind when doing a project. There are several variables you want to consider when choosing how to get the fine details out of your model. Close up renders? Probably detail it with the model. Still frame renders that you might touch up in Photoshop? You'll get away with good texture work. Animating the car, or rigging it? Model the details. The third option, with shaders, will give you drastic improvements if you have a good lighting setup with it, because shaders and their properties are very dependent on your light setup.

[beacon1]

After a render, most actually undergo post processing via photoshop or after effects. Your render there with a backplate needs it i think.

[Falango]

You want to push the render as far as it can go though. Especially if you are just starting with post, you just don't have an understanding of just how much you can do. It's still ideal to get your render as close to your final result as possible though. If you want to get into post work, try reading up on what different passes you can create to support your final render. At this point though, I'd stay polish the modeling and shading though first.